Red Sistémica · Interview
Pioneers of the stepfamily field — they founded one themselves, with seven stepchildren, thirty-four years ago —, John and Emily Visher devoted their professional lives to having the stepfamily recognized as a form of family organization in its own right, and to bringing the treatment of its difficulties into the training of family therapists. Here they answer the questions of Guillermo Visotsky.
“Research shows that it is the relationships within the family that meet the needs of adults and children, not the form of the family.”
John Visher
Editor’s note from Perspectivas Sistémicas
Doctors John and Emily Visher are pioneers of the stepfamily field, having formed one themselves, with seven stepchildren, thirty-four years ago. In their professional lives, they have devoted their efforts to having stepfamilies regarded as a form of family organization, and to having the treatment of stepfamily problems become part of the training of the family therapist.
The Vishers have been honored many times for their professional work. They are professors at Harvard University, the University of California and Stanford University; cofounders of the Stepfamily Association of America; they have published numerous books and have traveled to various countries to spread their ideas. They have received many awards, the most recent being the 1993 distinguished award conferred by the American Association for Marriage and Family Therapy (AAMFT) for their contributions to the field of family therapy.
Epigraph: excerpt from another interview with the Vishers
Emily Visher: …Another important aspect is that the therapist may, inadvertently, exert pressure for the living-together relationships between family members to turn too soon into close relationships. It is important to remember that the stepfamily is not as cohesive as the first family. Members of stepfamilies that have integrated successfully need to learn to be flexible in order to adapt, and to look for and accept compromise solutions.
John Visher: Two points regularly come up as crucial in therapeutic processes with stepfamilies. One is the educational aspect, which concerns the characteristics of the stepfamily; the other is the strengthening of the couple. The parent who remarries often feels that he or she has betrayed the relationship with the children, and this prevents them from forming a close relationship with the new spouse; but if they do not, the whole project of forming a family and offering the children a new model of a couple fails.
Emily Visher: Another element to take into account, and one that often poses constant difficulties, is the ongoing conflict with “the other household.” This is another central point of the therapeutic work. I would also like to add something.
We are talking about a period, in the formation of stepfamilies, when the person may or may not feel that they belong, that they are appreciated, or that they have control over their life. If the person has had experiences early in life that make them particularly sensitive, to the point of affecting their self-esteem, he or she will have difficulty getting through this situation.
According to data obtained in the study of 500 cases of stepfamilies that sought professional help in New York over a period of ten years, it was observed that two thirds of the cases were resolved through brief therapy. These were families that needed to learn about the subject, to have guidance as to which norms to follow, to receive adequate orientation. The remaining third needed prolonged help. Some difficulties were characteristic of stepfamilies; others were of an emotional order, and the two aspects were intertwined…
Fragment of an interview with John and Emily Visher conducted by Myrta E. Lange, Sistemas Familiares, journal of ASIBA (Asociación Sistémica de Buenos Aires), year 10, no. 1, April 1994.
How do stepfamilies differ from other families?
Emily Visher: We think that stepfamilies differ from first-marriage families in several respects.
They begin after many losses and many changes. For example: the children no longer live all the time with both of their parents; so there is a loss of the full-time relationship between parents and children, whether through divorce or through death. Suddenly, the eldest children may lose their place as the eldest in the family. There may now be six people living in a single house, where before there was one household with one adult and three children, and another with one adult and one child.
John Visher: Another characteristic is that people find themselves at different points in their individual and family life cycles. For example: there may be a woman who has never been married with a man who has three children. Or there may be an adolescent more interested in his peers than in the family activities of his second family, within which the adult couple is trying to create a new family.
Emily Visher: In a first marriage, the adults come together with the expectations that stem from the different situations of their families of origin. But in second marriages, not only the adults but also the children come together with the expectations that stem from previous family experiences.
At first, this can produce a feeling of chaos and confusion, since the members of the new household have different values and beliefs and do things in different ways. For example: two children may be used to going to bed at 8 in the evening, while another of the same age considers that 9 is the right time to go to sleep.
John Visher: An important difference between stepfamilies and other families is the fact that there are parent-child alliances and relationships that predate the new couple relationship. In first marriages, the existence of the couple precedes that of the children within the family. These prior alliances can produce feelings of isolation and jealousy in stepparents, and painful feelings can grow. Parents who remarry frequently feel caught between the needs of their new spouse — which they try to meet — and those of their children. Indeed, they may feel that establishing a relationship with the new spouse is a betrayal of earlier bonds. Yet this relationship is as important for the children as it is for the adults, since it is necessary for the stability of the family.
Emily Visher: In stepfamilies, unlike what happens in first-marriage families, there is a biological parent in another house — or in memories, if the parent has died. Moreover, in the United States and in many countries, many children may go back and forth between the two households. Unfortunately, cooperating in the raising of the children is often difficult for both households. Instead, the children find themselves caught between the anger and hostility of the adults. When there is cooperation in raising the children, their loyalty conflicts are reduced, and the children can benefit from the love and care offered to them in each household.
John Visher: One more characteristic, which may not be the same in other countries, is that in the United States there is very little, if any, legal bond between stepparents and stepchildren. This can lead to a breakdown of the relationships between them if the biological parent dies or divorces this second spouse. When a warm relationship has been established between a stepparent and the spouse’s child, a breakdown produces a loss for the adult as well as for the child.
Of course, the emotional climate in stepfamilies tends to be more intense than in other families, particularly at the beginning, before things have settled and the new relationships have been established. Given that establishing and maintaining relationships is such a conscious process in stepfamily systems, what is crucial is to create and maintain both the new relationships and the old ones. Research shows that it is the relationships within the family that meet the needs of adults and children, not the form of the family. Finally, I would like to say that the most important message for stepfamilies is to be patient and to give themselves the time needed to resolve those differences which, at the beginning, can produce tensions.
The stepfamily is born after a divorce or a death: loss of the full-time parent-child relationship, loss of the eldest child’s place, households that merge.
Each person is at a different point in their individual and family cycle: a never-married woman with a father of three, an adolescent turned toward his peers.
Adults and children arrive with the values and habits of their previous families: chaos and confusion at first.
Parent-child bonds come before the couple relationship: jealousy and isolation for the stepparent, a feeling of betrayal for the parent.
In another house or in memories; cooperation between households reduces the children’s loyalty conflicts.
In the United States, almost no rights between stepparents and stepchildren: risk of a breakdown in case of death or a new divorce.
Which therapeutic interventions succeed best with stepfamilies?
John Visher: One of the most important interventions consists in validating the feelings that occur in stepfamilies, and in normalizing the situations they describe. This increases self-esteem, and it is an essential ingredient that helps stepfamily members find more appropriate ways of resolving the situations that arise in this more complex family form.
Psychoeducation is the main intervention. The therapist’s ability to identify problems and to offer information that can contribute to the solution or the management of a given situation within the family tends to reduce the feeling of helplessness and allows the adults to change the things that are not working well. When the adults feel that the therapist is warm and that therapy is a safe place to talk, they are able to communicate better and to understand the other members of the family, including their spouse and the other children. Another axis of therapy consists in helping to improve communication skills; likewise, strengthening the couple relationship allows the adults to form a working team capable of making the family function better and of developing stronger bonds.
Emily Visher: It is not surprising that, in the research, nearly half of the respondents who indicated that something had not worked well for them in therapy stated that the therapist was not familiar with the dynamics of stepfamilies and their problems. It is possible that this lack of knowledge and understanding results in the therapist not being able to support the couple and validate feelings, or to normalize the situations that people describe.
One third of families present multiple difficulties and require several long-term treatments, in addition to the interventions described. I would also like to add that, usually, we do not recommend seeing the whole family together before the couple has established a good working relationship.
Key takeaway
Three levers recur with the Vishers: validating feelings and normalizing the situations specific to the stepfamily, informing (psychoeducation is the main intervention) and strengthening the couple so that it works as a team. And a rule of sequence: do not see the whole family together before the couple has established a good working relationship.
Which aspects of your work pose the greatest challenges for you?
John Visher: Our greatest challenge is training therapists, because we see that many of them are not aware of the fact that stepfamilies are different from first-marriage families and have different norms. It is not a matter of learning a new method of doing therapy; it is a matter of knowing what to expect and what the norms are. For example, a therapist said to a woman who was having problems with her stepson: “Why don’t you act like a mother?” Her stepson already has a mother, who lives nearby and whom he sees several times a month; so the situation continued to deteriorate. We think that this stepmother was trying to play too prominent a role with her stepson, and the suggestion was probably the opposite of what would have been helpful.
Emily Visher: Another challenge is to understand and to change the lack of social acceptance of stepfamilies as a positive family form. As we said above, research shows that it is not the form of the family that makes the difference, but that it is the relationships within it that are crucial to its success. Social acceptance is important for the possibility of achieving this. We continue to want to influence people’s attitudes so that they respond to stepfamilies with acceptance and understanding, through our work with the Stepfamily Association of America. We believe that the United States and other countries of similar culture have difficulty accepting the idea of more than two parental figures in a child’s life.
Which cultural differences should be taken into account for a similar organization in Argentina?
John Visher: We think that this type of group can be very useful in any country. I would like to devote a few minutes to cultural differences. The characteristics that distinguish stepfamilies from other families, pointed out at the beginning of this interview, are the same in every country, except that, in some countries, children do not go back and forth from one house to the other, and stepparents have certain legal rights. This could indicate that organizations for the support and advocacy of stepfamilies could also have similar characteristics. We have realized that in Argentina there is a tendency toward less equality than in the United States between male and female heads of household. This could add difficulties for the stepfamily. Research indicates that stepparents need to come in gradually and to develop solid relationships with their stepchildren before being in a position to impose rules in the family. We suspect that this could also happen in Argentina and that, consequently, stepfathers who expect to play a prominent role in the family before having developed these relationships could go through very difficult times. On the other hand, if the father of the family expects his new partner to be able to take on the parental role before having had the opportunity to establish relationships with her stepchildren, this could also add difficulties.
Emily Visher: We understand that Ruth Casabianca — a recognized Argentine trainer and therapist, who lives and practices in Santa Fe, in the province of the same name — is conducting cross-cultural research in Santa Fe, and she has pointed out that in Argentina, because of the great influence exerted by grandparents and former in-laws, she would need to add a few questions to the questionnaires from the United States. There is no doubt that as more work is done in this field, other differences may appear.
To conclude, do you think that working with other stepfamilies may have, in one way or another, influenced your own stepfamily?
Emily Visher: We did not deal directly with the children’s other household. Most of the time, we made arrangements through the children. We often made messengers of them, much more than we would do today. We should have devoted more effort to trying to establish cooperative relationships — what we call the “parenting coalition” — with the adults in the children’s other household. We should have planned more family meetings. This can give children the feeling of having more influence and control over what happens. Another thing we could change is to try to tell our children our feelings. We first tried to listen to them and to their feelings, and we accepted their anger; but today we could accept it better, because we are more aware of how upset, depressed and angry our children were because of the changes. We would try to understand and accept our own feelings. Perhaps things would have worked sooner if, at neutral moments, we had identified which of our feelings were similar to theirs. That would have produced more of a situation of “togetherness” than a situation of “yes, but.”
The last thing that comes to me is something very valuable for all families. I am thinking of the importance of separate spaces for the relationship between adults and children, and between the adults themselves. We have even heard that some families have found it very important for each child to have a personal relationship with each of the adults. We tend to do everything as a family, and this does not allow my children to maintain a more direct relationship with me, like the one they had during the period when I was alone at home, any more than it allows John’s children to have time alone with him. Furthermore, stepparents and stepchildren can more easily build a relationship if they have private space with their parent, without the children of the other parent in the household.
John Visher: We would remarry and we would work together as we have done from the beginning. In truth, our relationship has been very emotionally satisfying for us. At the beginning, we had to endure a great deal of tension, like all stepfamilies, but today we have a wonderful family. We would continue to go on those lovely family outings that we enjoyed so much and that left us many beautiful memories together. In fact, we still have family gatherings, now proposed by our children, who have become adults. We have also begun to have moments alone with our adult children. It is never too late to begin, in a family. Forming a family this way took us longer than we imagined, but working through the initial period of tension really was very valuable.
Who are John and Emily Visher
John S. Visher, MD, is a psychiatrist and professor emeritus of psychiatry at Stanford University School of Medicine; cofounder of the Stepfamily Association of America; coauthor of several books.
Emily B. Visher, PhD, was a clinical psychologist and teacher at the California School of Professional Psychology, in Alameda; cofounder of the Stepfamily Association of America; coauthor of several books.
Another article by the same authors appeared in Perspectivas Sistémicas no. 28.
Notes from the original
By “assembled families” (familias ensambladas), the original refers to families arising from second, or later, marriages in which stepchildren are present; the English term stepfamilies has no exact equivalent in Spanish. We render it here as “stepfamilies,” the established term in English.
The Asociación de Familias Ensambladas de América is the Stepfamily Association of America.
Guillermo Visotsky is a physician, family therapist and representative in Córdoba of Perspectivas Sistémicas.
This interview is an English translation of “Ensamblando Familias. Entrevista a John y Emily Visher”, published by Red Sistémica (first published in Perspectivas Sistémicas, n° 35, année 8, mars-avril 1995). Translated and republished with the journal’s permission.
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Visotsky, G. (2022). Assembling families. Interview with John and Emily Visher (Complexe Systémique, Trans.). Complexe Systémique. https://app.complexe-systemique.com/en_GB/articles/assembling-families-interview-with-john-and-emily-visher (Original work published in 1995 in Perspectivas Sistémicas, n° 35, année 8, mars-avril 1995; republished in 2022 by Red Sistémica, https://redsistemica.ar/2022/06/27/ensamblando-familias-entrevista-a-john-y-emily-visher/)
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