This is precisely the challenge that Maximilien Bachelart, director of the Institut du Comment, takes on in this interview. With a systemic vision, he proposes a bold and innovative alternative: rather than getting lost in the analysis of causes, move on to a more functional question — the “how”.

What is at stake in the systemic support of organisations

During this interview, Maximilien Bachelart presents eight fundamental principles for successful systemic support. These principles revolve around one key question: how can institutions be enabled to leave the cycles of sterile analysis and enter a dynamic of concrete action? The goal is to find innovative and creative solutions that engage both the institution and the individuals who make it up.

One of the striking points of this approach is its critique of current drifts in audit processes. According to Maximilien Bachelart, auditing, as practised today, is often anti-systemic: it analyses problems from a static angle, without taking into account the complexity and living dynamics of an organisation. This traditional model proves limited when it comes to bringing about real change.

From observations to action: leaving urgency behind

Maximilien also insists on the need to leave the culture of urgency behind. Very often, organisations find themselves prisoners of a management mode that reacts to immediate crises, forgetting to tackle the deeper systemic problems. He evokes the need to find a balance between the individual and the overall system — a task that demands both creativity and responsibility.

More conscious management

One of the strong ideas of this interview lies in the distinction between intelligence and consciousness. For Maximilien Bachelart, modern management, too often focused on performance and short-term efficiency, lacks consciousness. He invites leaders to develop a broader, more inclusive approach, one that takes into account the human and relational dynamics within each organisation.

This conversation is a real dive into the world of systemic support for institutions. Through his eight principles, Maximilien Bachelart shows that it is possible to move from the “why” to the “how” and to leave endless cycles of analysis for a dynamic of innovative and creative action. If the transformation of organisations interests you, you can find out more on the website of the Institut du Comment; the full interview — in French — is below.